John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. I will reply to them briefly. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. Hardly the same as Furticks message! He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. . Thanks for this. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Market data provided by Factset. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. It just looks weird. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. Period. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Firstly in the teaching. Could you tell me the difference? (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. You were rightthat was not very mature. I'm a bank robber."[41]. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Why shouldnt he? And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Market data provided by Factset. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. But to me that is clear what it is. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. There is nothing more basic than these. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. 4, 3-4). [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. Legal Statement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. lq mk [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. I can write the e-mails. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. Really? He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. rm. pokmon the series xyz. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. March 5, 2021 . Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? All rights reserved. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. Because your worth it! LOL! From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? Marantha! And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? They drift from church to church. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . ", "What is dispensationalism? When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! Sadly so. Find a Church . You are just exporting your own. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. 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