One of these combinations was Iron Man and Thor. I won't be going that detail onto scalings but I'll show feats worth mentioning 1.Stunning and KO'ing God of God Hercules The same Hercules has access to powers forbidden to Gods and Mortals Gods in Marvel are Jungian Archetypes Here is . He did nothing universal, less alone multiversal. Many Thor variants diverge only slightly from the Earth-616 version, while others are radically different like Throg. Rune King Thor is kinda like Golden Superman from DC One Million. Thor, for his part, can see a scheme from his brother a mile away and was actually holding back the entire time because of it. Now having to return to Earth, Thor and company come across the interdimensional gateway through which Ares forces invaded. This version of Thor was less reliant on Mjolnir as a power source. A Multiverse is a hypothetical set of infinite or finite possible universes that together can comprise anything from a comparatively simple collection of parallel 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums, to the 11-dimensional multiversal structure our reality is assumed to be in some theories, or sometimes even higher levels of reality. He even says: "The Black Winter killed the universe before ours, Thor" But going back to RK Thor. That he couldn't simply end Surtur and end the madness of Ragnarok. Throughout the battle, Odin decides to take on Galactus, while Thor takes care of the Silver Surfer. Among the singularly largest foes Thor has ever stared down, the Midgard Serpent is also one of the most powerful and horrifying creatures in the universe. He simply brought down the walls that kept Asgard safe. 5 years ago. Even now with the universal threat of the Black Winter, we see that Yggdrasil is dying. The Eye explains to Thor that the Axis Mundi (Celestial Axis) is a multi-layered system, and that it appears symbolically for every plane, and its the might world tree, Yggdrasil. Galactus survived the death of a multiverse, but failed to do the same at Thor's hand. Yggdrasil is infinite in its complexities and Heimdall sees all of space and time in it. Their battle raged on for some time, leading them to an uninhabited planet. As the issue begins, some high-tech thugs, known as the Bombardiers, are in a highly advanced flying vehicle and destroy a building, resulting in a loss of life. Never seen someone claim he's multiversal, only universal. Instead he can only free their souls from what they had become. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111396494/7759558-5017912957-main-qimg-cb2c0c3c109fbd713e18488762f8241c.jpg. 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Regardless After things go back to normal in a typical relaunch manner we then got this. One of their weapons is a bunch of wraparound rockets, made of adamantium, which ensnare Thor like snaking cables. @takenstew22: I think the old Eternity put him(back when he was just Galan) into some sort of protective metallic egg and then after some matter of time(which was long enough for the Watchers to come about and see when it opened) Galan came out as Galactus. You can see that Asgard is even given a scale of size. It isn't even a universe. A mutant of sorts, he was born with the deviant gene, which not only made his physiology unique, but also granted him with powers far above anything his people were known for. Now obviously many people read celestial beings and immediately thought to themselves CELESTIALS! @scholomance: Watch out for triggered Thor wankers especially destinyman75, @scholomance: Also wankers try to go max retard with RKT being "omnipresent" in universe/one with it as Thor "merged" himself where his speech says he just went to sleep and done. Much like now during the Black Winter event we see that the Silver Surfer kept five special planets/worlds from Galactus. They would've simply obliterated RK Thor out of existence. Oh, I just wanna know if He has some because Cough Wank Cough people think He can beat Superman. The Incredible Hulk is one of the strongest beings in the Marvel universe. So if he wanted to free himself and Asgard from the cycle, he needed to destroy the Loom. Sure, RKT isn't multiversal, but everyone with a functioning brain cell knows that, already. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. In the mini-series Secret Invasion: Thor, Beta Ray Bill crash-lands on Asgard, warning that the Skrulls are about to invade. He pushes the Worldengine and the World Tree back into place, which is the equivalent of pushing all the realms back into their intended alignments. I'll entertain your stupidity no longer. When Captain Americas god squad encounters the Phoenix, the cosmic bird easily incapacitates everyone until only Thor is left. Written by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz, the tale featured Thor and Hercules standing high atop a plateau on a far-off planet, where they would arm-wrestle one another to finally put an end to the question about who was stronger. The nine realms to which Yggdrasil is linked to refers to nine special worlds/planets. but he's always been firmly planetary. Still at the end of the day the Ten Realms are not ten universes, they aren't even ten different dimensions. Thus we arrive at a simple but factual conclusion RK Thor never had universal power less alone multiversal. Pure adamantium is so powerful that beings like the Hulk can barely even dent it, much less break it. He said without Mjolnir Thor can't destroy a City or something. And has already begun the initial process to begin destroying it. RELATED:Michael Giacchino To Compose Thor Love And Thunder. Meaning the so called World Tree wasn't what people thought it was. The universe didn't crumble or was shattered or destroyed. Thor-El is what you get when you mix the God of Thunder with the Man of Steel. If you are a Christian or Catholic, then God created from his own light the Kingdom of Heaven. Many Thor variants exist in Marvel Comics, including powerful versions from across the multiverse. In the midst of their battle the Silver Surfer surrounds Thors hammer with an impenetrable force field, but as their battle ends and Thor doesnt have to hold back anymore, he easily shatters the Surfers shield, much to the latters surprise. Their battle grows fiercer with each passing second until Umar catches Thor in an energy field that has the constricting strength equal to the weight of 20 planets. He doesn't have any multiversal outliers, no. The MCU may have many believing Thanos to be the most powerful Marvel character, but here are 10 reasons why Silver Surfer deserves that title. Every character got their gritty spin, some worse than others. I feel really bad because you clearly put time and effort into this only to be disproved by a single sentence. What are some noteworthy feats that Thor has done in the comics? With the narrators saying that the two could go on forever, because of their immortality, the comic ends with the two still arm-wrestling, the winner not decided. Galactus is a massive cosmic being that consumed planets to sustain his powers. these delusions have to be a result of webcamparrots videos. JavaScript is disabled. In seeking answers, he heads to Odins chamber where he suddenly witnesses the All-Father locked in an intense game of chess with the powerful demon Dormammu. Thor doesn't faces Those Who Sit Above In Shadow directly. Carrying over from the previous issue, Avengers #100 featured an amnesiac Hercules getting captured by the god Ares. What had been written was beyond his power to change. In one instance, Thor pushes over the Leaning Tower of Pisa with just one finger. The Skrulls invaded Asgard, which happened to be floating just a few feet above the ground of Arizona, realizing they needed to defeat the gods if they wanted to conquer the planet. Among the heroes sent to Olympus is Thor. Thor, the God of Thunder, is unquestionably not only one of Earths mightiest heroes, but one of the most powerful forces for good throughout the whole universe. @sirdragonfly: Galactus is building sized though, hence building level. The Silver Surfer was able to succeed on both of these fronts, outsmarting, then defeating Galactus. In Warp World, each soul paired with another, causing many mixtures of characters across the universe. Now Destroying the Loom is not the same as actually directly defeating Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. Mangog is the physical embodiment of an entire race that was killed by Odin and channels the strength of a billion billion being. Disney+'s Loki featured many Easter eggs and one of the best was Throg, a frog version of Thor, who appeared in episode five of the series. >TWSAIS aren't Celestials, Celestials aren't so weak that they will let Thor do his thing. That he couldn't simply end Surtur and end the madness of Ragnarok. New Movie News, Movie Trailers & upcoming Movie Reviews, 10 Times Silver Surfer Proved He Was The Most Powerful Character In The Marvel Universe, 5. Maybe those ten worlds were kinda like the worlds Silver Surfer kept from Galactus. Flying up on the largest Celestials head, Thor summons every ounce of strength and delivers his mightiest blow. And from the union of Ouranos and Gaia came the Titans. Thor opens a chasm of earth, which Loki falls into, only to then literally pull the earth back together again. Def above planetary. The World Serpent, or Jormungand, is the son of Loki and the sorceress Angerboda. And funny enough this was again shown when Thor became Rune King Thor. I think the former might be the same guy again. Nothing happened to them. it all depends on your experience with said sites. Moments later, Thor explains he just ripped apart and sealed Loki under millions of tons of debris. Thus we arrive at a simple but factual conclusion RK Thor never had universal power less alone multiversal. During the Marvel event "AvX", the Avengers are locked in battle with the X-Men over the fate of Hope Summers. Strange and is as powerful as Loki. And thus we see Yggdrasil imploding into itself. 5 years ago. Special worlds without a doubt but they are still part of the universe at large. Long story short, Loki tricks the two heroes into doing battle and as two of the strongest heroes in Marvel, there battle is as epic as youd imagine. It's a very efficient way to wank and disregard Anti Feats, Lmfao they think that Hulk has a true form which is archetype of archetypes of strength and is outerversal. it would be difficult to actually draw 9 to 10 entire universes on a tree especially since we have no real word perspective of what the whole universe looks like from outside of it, its not meant to be exact similar to the dragonball macrocosm map so dont take everything literal, Asgard is a pocket universe, your confusing the Floating Land of Asgard with the entire dimension, theres visible stars and other celestials bodies throughout the Asgard dimension and again its been stated to be a pocket universe. The nine realms to which Yggdrasil is linked to refers to nine special worlds/planets. Recruiting Loki to his side, the war god unleashes the World Serpent, sending it to Earth where it promptly wraps around the planet. The group splits into tow, with one group staying on Earth to combat Ares invaders, and the other goes to Olympus to free Hercules. Going through wave after wave of assailants, and after creating a makeshift hammer by literally molding an alien tank with his bare hands, Thors enemies unleash a series of graviton bombs. That spark was Gaia, Mother Earth, Mother of all Life. The Incredible Hulk is one of the strongest beings in the Marvel universe. While Old King Thor is technically from Earth-14412, his life force is tied to the main universe Thor of Eath-616. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Stark Odinson, son of Howard Odin, combines the powers and might of Thor with the sharp intellect of Tony Stark. Has quite a few multiversal feats. The attack is so phenomenal that Exitr, the most power Celestial, is staggered. that confirms that either you have never picked up a Thor comic, or you've read all of them to find the perfect lowball. He has base Superman at Multiversal and thinks New 52 is relative to Pre-Crisis as well. Known vaguely to the Asgardians as the Fimbulwinter, its coming was prophesized to herald . TL;DR: RKT is not even universal let alone multiversal, don't let the wank mislead you. His job undone, Thor enters Exitar's head and performs another of his all-time greatest feats: Tying his Belt of Power around Mjolnir to focus his energies, Thor unleashes his God Blast, hitting Exitar's brain with the all of his lifeforce. Their battle continues into Journey Into Mystery #119, and Thor is becoming more and more desperate. For more information, please see our This universe is seen as one of the darker timelines introduced by Marvel. Thor appears in 8145 issues. In Thor Annual #9, Thor is riding the high seas with his fellow Asgardians when they are suddenly attacked by a group of giant serpents. At the time, the Red Shift was the herald Galactus, imbued with the same Power Cosmic that Silver Surfer has. i fail to believe otherwise. To those unfamiliar with the Silver Surfer, he is the herald of Galactus and imbued with the Power Cosmic. Instead of going to his intended destination however, Thor accidentally ends up in limbo, loses his hammer, and comes face to face with the Space Phantom. A structure within the universe. Thor #400 featured a somewhat comical side-story in which the two living legends finally got to try and determine who was the mightier. Odin himself made such a claim that Asgard was a universe in itself, in the past. Silver Surfer, on the other hand, is left standing, seemingly unaffected. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759597-9644117669-main-qimg-55b9e04c93ce0c80e924fbde82045947.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759600-0683323595-main-qimg-a816c362984b827bea84315af70f1f69.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111396494/7759601-7406391249-main-qimg-ddc39b0fea8e760a94de08e4e816bf51.jpg. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759580-3531498011-main-qimg-18388c716218443fa6f3ea4156cb485c.png, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759581-9873108671-main-qimg-7da139cca77942e86c9c46ba0eeec5c8.jpg. The universe didn't crumble or was shattered or destroyed. The idea is that if, for example, Captain America is constantly defeating the Red Skull, then Doctor Doom will fight Captain America or enlist another heavy hitter to fight the Avenger. Thor immediately goes to rescue his brother, while all of Asgard, including Odin, realizes Thor is bewitched but cant do anything about it. Goes triple for you straight up lying about the Galactus Seed. And unlike what some have made it seem, what he did was simply open a path to where the kingdom of Asgard lies. So here are RK Thor feats: Feat #1 RK Thor can't escape death on his own, he needs to summon the spirit of Odin to take him away from. No. However he does realizes that the tapestry of the Fates was rigged to move in an endless cycle. The Avengers bring back many former members to aid in dealing with the threat. RK Thor essentially discovered their Kryptonite and used it to end their hold on the fate not just of Asgard but apparently the nine realms as well. Shortly thereafter, the aliens attack and chaos ensues as Asgards finest battle the Super-Skrulls. For example, some guy said that Superman would beat Multi-Eternity, and that base hulk is thousands of times stronger than strange visitor superman. After capturing Silver Surfer's former lover from his home planet, Mephisto lures the cosmic hero to his realm. One is the God of Thunder and son of Odin, the other is a gamma-irradiated rage monster that gets stronger the madder he gets. You are using an out of date browser. Thor does retrieve it, but it doesnt take long for Odin and Asgard to realize that another wants it: Galactus. His job undone, Thor enters Exitars head and performs another of his all-time greatest feats: Tying his Belt of Power around Mjolnir to focus his energies, Thor unleashes his God Blast, hitting Exitars brain with the all of his lifeforce. Only this time without the Loom. And a few complex multiversal feats (scaling to Odin with Odin Force,or the time he bench pressed the world engine. Odin himself made such a claim that Asgard was a universe in itself, in the past. Norrin Radd was pure of heart, and there is nothing Mephisto wants more than a pure soul. In The Mighty Thor series from 2011, a giant geyser of power has erupted from Yggdrasil, the World Tree. Thor and Volstagg fought side by side in the battle that initially made Thor worthy of Mjolnir when they fought the hordes of Hel. The Silver Surfer has come quite a way since his time spent as the herald of Galactus. In Journey Into Mystery #118, a big game hunter comes across the Destroyer armor in the Temple of Darkness and inadvertently sets it free, his mind waking the weapon. Still we can see the several lands that make up Asgard. Zachary also creates music, films and has his hand in any creative medium you can think of. Meaning its actually smaller than a planet. No, it wasnt any kind of mind-control that convinced the God of Thunder to fight for the Nazis, but it was Hitler manipulating the thunder god. So here Thor admits that not even he could change what had already been written by the Fates, and thus by Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. During his frog adventures, Simon meets Thor, who has also turned into a frog. Much like now during the Black Winter event we see that the Silver Surfer kept five special planets/worlds from Galactus. Everyone has bad days, but not quite like Thor. Look at y'all trying to be funny. Thor doesn't faces Those Who Sit Above In Shadow directly. The Black Winter is a cosmic entity that fulfils a similar purpose to Galactus on a far larger scale - rather than simply devouring planets, it consumes entire universes. Born in Sparta, Kratos was a respected soldier and General, up until he lost his wife and daughter when he killed them, albeit by accident, under Ares' command, earning him the nickname The Ghost of Sparta, after which he renounced his service to the war god, eventually killing him and later on ascending to Godhood before exacting revenge . They couldn't stop under their own power, admitted their defeat, and offered Thor a reward to spare them - concession, apology, and make-up. A map that people should've never forgotten about seeing it explains much about things that happened during the events where we see Rune King Thor and his feats. Now cope. When it looks like the Asgardians might be winning, the shapeshifters unleash their ultimate Super-Skrull, one bred to destroy Thor and who carries Stormbreaker, Bills famous weapon. And then we already know the story. Among the strongest and most dangerous foes Thor has ever faced is the Destroyer armor. Out of all the materials in the Marvel Universe, the most notorious, and arguably the most powerful, is the metal known as adamantium. Galactus, unsurprised, decides to go to war with Asgard. While there, Mephisto's power grows exponentially stronger. The two gods arm-wrestle with everything they have until the plateau they are on crumbles under the force of the pressure theyre applying. @princesscadenza: Did Galactus and Franklin straight up tank the birth and death of the multiverse or was there something else that allowed them to see that? https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759583-5089762588-main-qimg-af4f933b00c5bf1b0ffc602112c1dfbe.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759592-3127759999-main-qimg-c37523a9341fe72fdbed2f50353bb3ea.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111396494/7759594-6715416491-main-qimg-a5873cc833364deecd67fab550a5b710.jpg, So when RK Thor does this. Rune King Thor is not multiversal. And from that light he created the firmament, the stars, the Earth, and everything from highest to lowest. That planet went through a billion years of evolutionary cycles within mere moments just because Silver Surfer letreleased alittle too much power. Physically stronger than either Odin or Thor, its a miracle anyone has stopped him. This includes not just universes but higher spatial dimensions as well and theres multiple statements besides the ones you posted confirming that it contains infinite realities of each dimension, Midgard is clearly referring to the the 616 universe where humans reside so the totality of Midgard realities alone is a multiverse on Yggdrasil, they just focus on planets and lands of other realms to simplify the diagram and give you an idea of the terrain since thats where the locals reside, they wouldnt just be floating in space now would they? If thats how much body he has in just his pinky, its frightening to consider how much strength courses through his whole body. Note the Forgotten One has lifted the Earth and he says Thor is at least as powerful as him. Also referred by as the World Tree, it maintains the appearance of an actual gigantic tree, but is in fact the cosmic pillar that guides time, destiny, and nature for not only Asgard, but all the Nine Realms. In his many journeys, Norrin Radd has proven to be an extremely powerful hero. Where you can see in the map shown above that the map in the previous scan was still valid. Now unleashed, its up to Thor to put the Destroyer back in the ground. Thor agrees, but the one thing he didnt count on was being attacked by the planets inhabitants and their advanced technology. While Old King Thor is technically from Earth-14412, his life force is tied to the main universe Thor of Eath-616. Over the years, Thor has demonstrated what it truly means to wield the power of a god. ''He survived the death of a multiverse'' This has so many broad explanations that is laughable, or I am missing context here? And he isn't multiversal because Yggdrasil unlike what some claims have been made. He instead helps Surtur and his forces lay waste to his land and people. Knowing the history of the Phoenix and how it tends to destroy planets, Captain America wants to keep Hope as far away from it as possible. As the battle intensifies, Thor orders Asgard itself to fall on the Skrull, while he and Bill are underneath. On one of these trips inside a black hole, Silver Surfer fought the Red Shift. With strength beyond measure, just his name is enough to cause most civilizations to cower. @mama7: They're free to counter this debunking. Had to make an account just for this. The two have battled each other multiple times and in each instance their fights are typically paused or halted become of some contrived reason. RELATED:Valkyrie's New Costume In Thor Love And Thunder. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759604-2097626744-main-qimg-bb6da884ed5344f5cca08100d4782b5f.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759605-5217252922-main-qimg-2c4593c4eebfc524dbaf4663e7a2f1fe.jpg. It also exists on every plane of reality. And it's dying because the Black Winter has already entered Universe 616. Thus the nine realms are simply special nine planets/worlds. They would've simply obliterated RK Thor out of existence. Thor can't save his own people and land. Using Mjolnir, Thor divides the timestream (which is itself an impressive accomplishment) and attempts to travel to the past. But going back to RK Thor. The two fight each other with everything they have until eventually the pair grab hands, locked in mortal combat, either unwilling to budge an inch. Still at the end of the day the Ten Realms are not ten universes, they aren't even ten different dimensions. ~ THor fanboys, Yes, so every ghost u see in background of night sky means it merged with cosmos ? They are simply ten worlds. In "Blood and Thunder," Thor comes down with a bad case of Warriors Madness. Only out of context statements or implications that they don't understand themselves and wank the characters anyway, Pretty good debunk but werent the realms simply just retconed to being universes(atleast the space they inhabit). Here are some of his amazing feats of strength. See how her comic version ranks amongst Thor's strongest variants. However, this distracts Thor long enough so that when his hammer returns, it hits him in the head. So Thor and Loki go gallivanting on Earth, causing all sorts of mischief. Also congrats on cherrypicking an outdated map from nearly 3 decades ago (is that from the World Engine arc?) Because those five planets have special energies to them, that if Galactus had consumed them he would've become far more powerful. However he does realizes that the tapestry of the Fates was rigged to move in an endless cycle. As they tried to blast each other with their respective cosmic energies, a resulting chain reaction caused the planet to explode. He has certain feats people try to wank to multiversal (using lightning to damage Amatsu Mikaboshi, briefly knocking out the Phoenix Force, etc.) Damn near everytime the yggdrasil is in danger or at risk its always referred to be power on a multiversal scale at work in the same comic, theres just way too much evidence against your asinine claims. The Avengers cross over, but Hercules stays on Olympus. They are simply ten worlds. and our Thor Thor's most powerful 'Strike Feat' to date : Multiversal lvl #1 lazarus4tempest In Immortal She-hulk's oneshot, Al Ewing confirms that the blow delt by Thor to Galactus is. Then, with the cosmic behemoth at his weakest, the Surfer defeated him with a powerful concentrated blast of cosmic power. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Mangog likes the plan and teams up with Thanos. In both the real world and also in the universe of comic books, there are few people in the history of mankind worse than Adolf Hitler. If the latter would ever have any chance of defeating his master, he would have to use much cunning in addition to the full extent of his cosmic abilities. In one final act of desperation, Thor throws Mjolnir with all his strength. isn't Rui Silva the guy who generally underrates Lucifer and Thor??? Then, he left the beast there and traveled back, stranding Durok in a time where humanity no longer existed. Worlds that possessed special energies that made them different from all the other worlds in the universe. comics and manga would probably be in better place if forums like this didn't exists. Eventually, Thor comes across the villains and knocks them out of the sky. The Silver Surfer eventually proves victorious, but realizes Loki boosted his power. Thor and Simon help the local frog king fight off the rats they were at war with. During Dan Jurgens run on Thor, Thanos is questing after the Chalice of Tears and the Map Of All-Ending to destroy the universe. Olympus in order to fight Ares. Alas, a winner would not be decided and the battle ended in a draw. This is just bizarre to me. But Gaia felt lonely and thus with the permission of the Chaos she birthed the Sky and everything in the firmament. The Space Phantom says that Thors hammer is likely on the formers homeworld and that they must journey to the center of the planet to retrieve it. During one of his stints as a god-like mutant, Cable found himself at odds with the Surfer. Iron Hammer can be seen wearing a red, yellow, and silver suit of armor and wielding a giant version of Mjolnir. I'd like to point out that this is blatantly copying a Quora answer. The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. With Thor victorious, he goes off to cause chaos elsewhere. Encased in debris thats also under the same pressure, it only takes a few moments for Thor to break free! A virtually indestructible man-made metal alloy, adamantium is the stuff that coats Wolverines bones and makes him unbreakable and combined with his healing factor, Wolverine is nearly unbeatable. And from his own light He created all the angels. Kevd4wg. So here Thor admits that not even he could change what had already been written by the Fates, and thus by Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. Once there was even a kind of map given about it. Privacy Policy. But again, all of that has been more than debunked. True. Even before the two first met back in Avengers #3, fans wanted to know who was stronger. Then you have the monster known as Mangog. Through his many battles and experiences, he has been able to harness and heighten his powers to their fullest. He was again proving that the map I showed is still valid, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759595-9363571547-main-qimg-f34f1ab08548b5e0f5cb92b471041dc5.jpg.